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	<title>Comments on: Dry-erase vs. Wet-erase Maps and Battlemats</title>
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		<title>By: Scott Roberts</title>
		<link>http://www.treasuretables.org/2007/07/dry-erase-vs-wet-erase-maps-and-battlemats/comment-page-1#comment-11931</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott Roberts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jul 2007 18:58:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re:  Tact-Tiles

According to one of the guys at the Paizo booth at the Origins convention, Tact-Tiles are no longer in production.  I didn&#039;t get the Paizo reps name, but he said he was the one that actually sold advertising in Dragon to Tact-Tiles.

That being said, there is no copyright or trademark upon the design (can&#039;t get one, as it falls under the same heading as a chess board for soem reason) and some manufacturers are considering putting forth their own designs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re:  Tact-Tiles</p>
<p>According to one of the guys at the Paizo booth at the Origins convention, Tact-Tiles are no longer in production.  I didn&#8217;t get the Paizo reps name, but he said he was the one that actually sold advertising in Dragon to Tact-Tiles.</p>
<p>That being said, there is no copyright or trademark upon the design (can&#8217;t get one, as it falls under the same heading as a chess board for soem reason) and some manufacturers are considering putting forth their own designs.</p>
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		<title>By: Martin</title>
		<link>http://www.treasuretables.org/2007/07/dry-erase-vs-wet-erase-maps-and-battlemats/comment-page-1#comment-11897</link>
		<dc:creator>Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jul 2007 01:09:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good suggestions all around! I definitely dig laminated maps, and I&#039;ve seen pictures of some sweet under-plexi setups (never tried that, though).

(Brandon) &lt;i&gt;One way to limit mess with wet erase boards is to buy a little spritzer of the mild cleaning solution.&lt;/i&gt;

Now why the hell didn&#039;t I ever think of this? That would have made life so much easier!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good suggestions all around! I definitely dig laminated maps, and I&#8217;ve seen pictures of some sweet under-plexi setups (never tried that, though).</p>
<p>(Brandon) <i>One way to limit mess with wet erase boards is to buy a little spritzer of the mild cleaning solution.</i></p>
<p>Now why the hell didn&#8217;t I ever think of this? That would have made life so much easier!</p>
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		<title>By: John Arcadian</title>
		<link>http://www.treasuretables.org/2007/07/dry-erase-vs-wet-erase-maps-and-battlemats/comment-page-1#comment-11885</link>
		<dc:creator>John Arcadian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jul 2007 17:59:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One option is this:

- Make your map or get it into image format as a jpg or other image file. 
- Go to your local office store with a copy center.  
- Print it out on their large format printers (about 2-3 dollars for black and white).
- Get it laminated. (About 3 more dollars)
- Use wet or dry erase depending on the type of lamination. 
- They can also laminate on foam board or poster board for sturdiness.

This option is a little more expensive, but it works great for permanent fixtures like world maps and the like.  I am currently running a war based campaign and drawing the line of demarcation, or marking noted troop movements is really easy with this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One option is this:</p>
<p>- Make your map or get it into image format as a jpg or other image file.<br />
- Go to your local office store with a copy center.<br />
- Print it out on their large format printers (about 2-3 dollars for black and white).<br />
- Get it laminated. (About 3 more dollars)<br />
- Use wet or dry erase depending on the type of lamination.<br />
- They can also laminate on foam board or poster board for sturdiness.</p>
<p>This option is a little more expensive, but it works great for permanent fixtures like world maps and the like.  I am currently running a war based campaign and drawing the line of demarcation, or marking noted troop movements is really easy with this.</p>
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		<title>By: Kestral</title>
		<link>http://www.treasuretables.org/2007/07/dry-erase-vs-wet-erase-maps-and-battlemats/comment-page-1#comment-11877</link>
		<dc:creator>Kestral</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jul 2007 04:29:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BTW, I&#039;m also one for saying wet-erase is not always cleaner than dry-erase. I just think that dry-erase is going to be better in general for RPG use since you&#039;ll be needing to erase often. The things can still stain fairly easily, though admittedly not as much as wet-erase seems to. (Leave dry-erase marker on long enough, and it&#039;s a ***** to clean. In those cases I go w/ alcohol+water or vinegar+water solution of a very mild concentration and start scrubbing w/ a dishrag or washcloth.)

If you really want hex grids on a dry-erase board, I suggest using a stencil and some latex paint, but preferably the type that&#039;s water-resistant and won&#039;t come off w/ a little acid or alcohol, and then painting on a hex grid, though perhaps not the full grid, so you don&#039;t have problems w/ trying to center the stencil. Basically, point only. If you stencil it right, your main problem is making the stencil, but then you have a stencil and can use it any time you need to make another.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BTW, I&#8217;m also one for saying wet-erase is not always cleaner than dry-erase. I just think that dry-erase is going to be better in general for RPG use since you&#8217;ll be needing to erase often. The things can still stain fairly easily, though admittedly not as much as wet-erase seems to. (Leave dry-erase marker on long enough, and it&#8217;s a ***** to clean. In those cases I go w/ alcohol+water or vinegar+water solution of a very mild concentration and start scrubbing w/ a dishrag or washcloth.)</p>
<p>If you really want hex grids on a dry-erase board, I suggest using a stencil and some latex paint, but preferably the type that&#8217;s water-resistant and won&#8217;t come off w/ a little acid or alcohol, and then painting on a hex grid, though perhaps not the full grid, so you don&#8217;t have problems w/ trying to center the stencil. Basically, point only. If you stencil it right, your main problem is making the stencil, but then you have a stencil and can use it any time you need to make another.</p>
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		<title>By: Brandon</title>
		<link>http://www.treasuretables.org/2007/07/dry-erase-vs-wet-erase-maps-and-battlemats/comment-page-1#comment-11866</link>
		<dc:creator>Brandon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jul 2007 02:29:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One way to limit mess with wet erase boards is to buy a little spritzer of the mild cleaning solution. It probably has just a little alcohol in it. Keep a dry rag around, pull your minis and what-not off the board, and just give the map a few spritzes with the cleaning solution. Wipe it off with the rag and you&#039;re good to go. It helps keep away stains, is less messy than a handful of wet rags and water, and is fairly portable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One way to limit mess with wet erase boards is to buy a little spritzer of the mild cleaning solution. It probably has just a little alcohol in it. Keep a dry rag around, pull your minis and what-not off the board, and just give the map a few spritzes with the cleaning solution. Wipe it off with the rag and you&#8217;re good to go. It helps keep away stains, is less messy than a handful of wet rags and water, and is fairly portable.</p>
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		<title>By: Frost</title>
		<link>http://www.treasuretables.org/2007/07/dry-erase-vs-wet-erase-maps-and-battlemats/comment-page-1#comment-11861</link>
		<dc:creator>Frost</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jul 2007 15:52:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I also started using the Flipmat fairly regularly.  The vinyl megamat that completely covers our gaming table is nice, but I&#039;ve come to loathe the blue-black stains on my fingertips after cleaning it.

Cleaning was one of the reasons I made the switch to dry-erase, but the other is that I use dry erase on my Combat Pad initiative tracker.  There were many close calls when I&#039;d go from writing with the dry-erase pen on it straight to the vinyl battlemat.

http://www.openmindgames.com/omg_products_cp_photo.htm

I actually own two of the Flipmats, the wilderness path and city square.  I like them because they have preprinted sides which are very serviceable for encounters and a blank side.

I missed the boat on tact-tiles before they went out of production.  It was the cost that kept me from purchasing.  However, after seeing them in action at a RPG Con, I was sold, only to learn that they&#039;re no longer currently available.  If/when they do go back into production, it will be one of my next buys.

However, with the current price of projectors on ebay, I may go back to Dundjinni, my PC, and digitial projected maps.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I also started using the Flipmat fairly regularly.  The vinyl megamat that completely covers our gaming table is nice, but I&#8217;ve come to loathe the blue-black stains on my fingertips after cleaning it.</p>
<p>Cleaning was one of the reasons I made the switch to dry-erase, but the other is that I use dry erase on my Combat Pad initiative tracker.  There were many close calls when I&#8217;d go from writing with the dry-erase pen on it straight to the vinyl battlemat.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.openmindgames.com/omg_products_cp_photo.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.openmindgames.com/omg_products_cp_photo.htm</a></p>
<p>I actually own two of the Flipmats, the wilderness path and city square.  I like them because they have preprinted sides which are very serviceable for encounters and a blank side.</p>
<p>I missed the boat on tact-tiles before they went out of production.  It was the cost that kept me from purchasing.  However, after seeing them in action at a RPG Con, I was sold, only to learn that they&#8217;re no longer currently available.  If/when they do go back into production, it will be one of my next buys.</p>
<p>However, with the current price of projectors on ebay, I may go back to Dundjinni, my PC, and digitial projected maps.</p>
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		<title>By: Micah</title>
		<link>http://www.treasuretables.org/2007/07/dry-erase-vs-wet-erase-maps-and-battlemats/comment-page-1#comment-11860</link>
		<dc:creator>Micah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jul 2007 14:42:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just a note, I think Tact-Tiles are unavailable right now.  I tried to buy a second set a while back and they told me that someone in their supply chain went out of business.

I checked again today and they&#039;re still listed as sold out...

Still, I love the set I have :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just a note, I think Tact-Tiles are unavailable right now.  I tried to buy a second set a while back and they told me that someone in their supply chain went out of business.</p>
<p>I checked again today and they&#8217;re still listed as sold out&#8230;</p>
<p>Still, I love the set I have <img src='http://www.treasuretables.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: VV_GM</title>
		<link>http://www.treasuretables.org/2007/07/dry-erase-vs-wet-erase-maps-and-battlemats/comment-page-1#comment-11857</link>
		<dc:creator>VV_GM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jul 2007 08:32:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ian - I&#039;m surprised by that, because every office supply store I&#039;ve ever gone to has overhead transparency markers which are wet erase. I just use plain old Crayola Washable markers now and they work just fine. You can get those at any Wal-Mart or drugstore chain usually.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ian &#8211; I&#8217;m surprised by that, because every office supply store I&#8217;ve ever gone to has overhead transparency markers which are wet erase. I just use plain old Crayola Washable markers now and they work just fine. You can get those at any Wal-Mart or drugstore chain usually.</p>
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		<title>By: Ian</title>
		<link>http://www.treasuretables.org/2007/07/dry-erase-vs-wet-erase-maps-and-battlemats/comment-page-1#comment-11855</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jul 2007 00:56:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I gotta say, not putting the flip-mat in that post is a major oversight...

It&#039;s got almost everything you&#039;re looking for... The only category it doesn&#039;t have the best of both worlds in is options since they&#039;re only one size. They do come in a variety of themes, though.

They&#039;re cheap ($10 a piece), portable, available with squares and hexes (on the same mat, opposite sides) and accept both types of erasable markers.

One thing I think you should have mentioned... Availability. I&#039;ve never ever seen a wet erase marker in Staples or Office Max. All they carry are dry erase. In fact, short of ordering them online I don&#039;t know of anywhere where I could get wet erase markers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I gotta say, not putting the flip-mat in that post is a major oversight&#8230;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s got almost everything you&#8217;re looking for&#8230; The only category it doesn&#8217;t have the best of both worlds in is options since they&#8217;re only one size. They do come in a variety of themes, though.</p>
<p>They&#8217;re cheap ($10 a piece), portable, available with squares and hexes (on the same mat, opposite sides) and accept both types of erasable markers.</p>
<p>One thing I think you should have mentioned&#8230; Availability. I&#8217;ve never ever seen a wet erase marker in Staples or Office Max. All they carry are dry erase. In fact, short of ordering them online I don&#8217;t know of anywhere where I could get wet erase markers.</p>
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		<title>By: longcoat000</title>
		<link>http://www.treasuretables.org/2007/07/dry-erase-vs-wet-erase-maps-and-battlemats/comment-page-1#comment-11854</link>
		<dc:creator>longcoat000</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jul 2007 23:33:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You can always add a grid to a small dry-erase board by marking one off in whatever scale you choose using a good old-fashioned ruler (or yardstick, depending on the size of your board) and a blue permanant marker.  Just don&#039;t use permanent marker when drawing your dungeon (this goes for wet and dry-erase), or it will be there FOREVER!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can always add a grid to a small dry-erase board by marking one off in whatever scale you choose using a good old-fashioned ruler (or yardstick, depending on the size of your board) and a blue permanant marker.  Just don&#8217;t use permanent marker when drawing your dungeon (this goes for wet and dry-erase), or it will be there FOREVER!</p>
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		<title>By: Rick the Wonder Algae</title>
		<link>http://www.treasuretables.org/2007/07/dry-erase-vs-wet-erase-maps-and-battlemats/comment-page-1#comment-11853</link>
		<dc:creator>Rick the Wonder Algae</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jul 2007 21:48:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know that I&#039;d say wet erase are more messy that dry erase.  Wet erase can be more messy to CLEAN, sure but dry erase is messier to have around, since reaching across the board to move your mini can not only destroy a portion of the map, it can leave a nasty stain on your sleeve.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know that I&#8217;d say wet erase are more messy that dry erase.  Wet erase can be more messy to CLEAN, sure but dry erase is messier to have around, since reaching across the board to move your mini can not only destroy a portion of the map, it can leave a nasty stain on your sleeve.</p>
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		<title>By: VV_GM</title>
		<link>http://www.treasuretables.org/2007/07/dry-erase-vs-wet-erase-maps-and-battlemats/comment-page-1#comment-11851</link>
		<dc:creator>VV_GM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jul 2007 21:41:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just a note - having kids now I&#039;ve learned that the washable markers are the way to go. They don&#039;t stain the vinyl of a battle mat and are much easier to wipe away with less mess. Instead of using water and a cloth I keep a package of cleaning wipes at the table. That way I can grab a moist wipe and don&#039;t need to have water at the table. When I did use water I used a spray bottle with a little bit of cleaner in it. That worked very well for me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just a note &#8211; having kids now I&#8217;ve learned that the washable markers are the way to go. They don&#8217;t stain the vinyl of a battle mat and are much easier to wipe away with less mess. Instead of using water and a cloth I keep a package of cleaning wipes at the table. That way I can grab a moist wipe and don&#8217;t need to have water at the table. When I did use water I used a spray bottle with a little bit of cleaner in it. That worked very well for me.</p>
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