Comments on: Combat: To Map, or Not to Map?

By: Toombs

Toombs — Sat, 28 Apr 2007 06:50:20 +0000

I’m running a lot of Cthulhu these days, and I don’t use maps at all–I think that maps would actually take away from the game, as I work a lot with encounters (and combat especially) being overwhelming, terrifying, and out of control.

A map draws players into a tactical ‘god’s eye view’ of the world which I find can work against immersion into what their character is actually feeling/seeing in that moment–and that immersion is what I work so hard to evoke.

I’d go so far as to say that maps may actually be a handicap to horror gaming.

By: John Gallagher

John Gallagher — Fri, 27 Apr 2007 13:16:28 +0000

Like Katre, above, I run 7th Sea, and I try to stay away from battle maps as much as possible. It’s a very freewheeling, cinematic style of combat system, where the players are encouraged to add to the environment, as long as they look swashbuckly doing it. So a player wouldn’t say, “Is there a beer mug for me to throw?” Instead, the player says, “I pick up the beer mug on the next table and fling it at the idiot harrassing the bar maid.” Having a battle mat would limit that kind of dramatic, flashy action, because, what if there’s not a table indicated on the mat? The player wouldn’t even think to pick up a mug. I agree, there are games that require minis. I just don’t play them often.

By: Bryan

Bryan — Thu, 26 Apr 2007 18:02:09 +0000

I use ad hoc freehanded whiteboard maps for my space campaign, since firearm engagement ranges are usually too far to fit on a 1 hex = 1 yard map of reasonable size, and detailed tactical movement isn’t usually important for a firefight (unless you’re running a SWAT team/MOUT sort of game).

The “map” for the combat in the last session was a side-view cross-section of the apartment building staircase they were fighting in, with stick figures instead of circles to represent the combatants.

If I were to run a pre-gunpowder, melee-heavy game (fantasy or historical), I would probably use a hex-based battle board.

By: Jeff Rients

Jeff Rients — Thu, 26 Apr 2007 17:00:26 +0000

I use minis for 3.x D&D, Savage Worlds, and not much else. In general I prefer more abstracted, non-mapped combat taking place entirely in the imagination of the participants. But I also love toys and crunchy positional-based tactics, so I make some exceptions.

By: Martin

Martin — Thu, 26 Apr 2007 15:48:12 +0000

It’s been interesting to read all of your responses so far — thanks for taking the time to comment!

For my part, I was sketching out maps before D&D 3.x, but that was what prompted me to make the switch to full-out tactical maps and counters.

While that’s my default now, I won’t do it for games that don’t really seem to need it. If an RPG focuses less on combat, I don’t tend to bother with maps. If the system suggests them, I take that into account.

By: empty_other

empty_other — Thu, 26 Apr 2007 10:08:33 +0000

I play DnD and I use maps. Not only combat-maps, but city-maps and region-maps. Not only makes it combat easier, but i also enjoy making said maps. Whenever they do something totally unexpected (or if i am running the session on the fly), i have a few pre-made generic areas. Or use a white sheet with crude drawings on them.
Once (when we was less experienced in RP) we tried the no-map thing in belief that it was more “pro”. Total chaos. Seems everyone of my group are “visual” persons. Cant cope with descriptions.

By: Russell

Russell — Wed, 25 Apr 2007 20:57:27 +0000

Right now, I mostly play D&D 3.5. I use a map when the combat is going to be complicated, but not if spacing is relatively simple or the fight will be short. If I start without a map, and the players start asking questions about who is where, we’ll draw a map. On the other hand, I try to avoid spending more time setting up the map than the fight will take. I’ve also run D&D games for groups that dislike battle mats, and haven’t had any real problems with improvising relative positions. In my usual group, the battlemat is always laid out: it makes a great table cloth, very resistant to soda stains.

By: Dylan Zimmerman

Dylan Zimmerman — Wed, 25 Apr 2007 20:37:14 +0000

I use a map/minis/counters/some sort of visual representation when I think it’s going to be necessary. It can be nice, especially when playing a caster, to know how far apart people are so you can avoid killing the rest of your party with an ill-placed fireball.

I also use it to try to avoid misinterpretations of my descriptions. When a player says “What do you mean I can’t move that far?”, that’s usually a sign of some problem with the description. It’s more often than not my fault, so I try to avoid it, plain and simple .

By: John Arcadian

John Arcadian — Wed, 25 Apr 2007 18:12:20 +0000

I’ve gotten used to mini’s, and I have a transparent hex grid that i sometimes lay down over a “battle field”.

I find that they are nice to keep players with a tactical sense of where they are, and who is doing what. The dungeon tiles set that wizards released is a great thing, and I’m working on finding ways to integrate a computer into the equation.

For my part Mini’s tend to make combat situations better, but aren’t necessary.

By: Stephen Ward

Stephen Ward — Wed, 25 Apr 2007 18:05:23 +0000

I had never been a fan of battle grids in my games, primarily because of the cost. After playing D&D with grids, however, I don’t think I’d ever go back. Fantasy and imagination are one thing, but I find that visual aids help tremendously to bring the action into perspective.

By: Pellanor

Pellanor — Wed, 25 Apr 2007 17:41:35 +0000

Every since we started playing a lot of DnD 3.X we use a map most of the time.

Some games don’t need a map, such as Zero or Palladium, but generally I find that the tactical options in those games are so much lower that they’re not as fun (despite how cool the setting may be). Also there are some times in DnD when we don’t use a map. For example, in a recent session the PCs were assaulting the captain of the guard who was sitting behind the desk in his office. The combat consisted of them knocking him off his chair (trip), then keeping him down while pummelling him.

For a map, we have a whiteboard with a grid on it. We then use different coloured markers for different things. That allows us to get some somewhat multilevelled maps going.

By: Mark

Mark — Wed, 25 Apr 2007 17:30:09 +0000

We use a whiteboard and indelible markers, laid out flat on the middle of the table.

This is for complicated combats in D&D. -Our DM also keeps track of initiatives and HPs of the PCs on it at the same time.