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	<title>Comments on: Prep and Running Games: Oil and Water, or PB and J?</title>
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		<title>By: Use Flag Framing to Run an Improvisational Game - Treasure Tables</title>
		<link>http://www.treasuretables.org/2006/02/prep-and-running-games-oil-and-water-or-pb-and-j/comment-page-1#comment-1493</link>
		<dc:creator>Use Flag Framing to Run an Improvisational Game - Treasure Tables</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Feb 2006 18:31:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] boy do I want to try this! (Flagging has come up on TT; also ties into Prep and Running Games.)    Permalink &#124; Posted in Miniposts &#124;&#160; [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Martin</title>
		<link>http://www.treasuretables.org/2006/02/prep-and-running-games-oil-and-water-or-pb-and-j/comment-page-1#comment-1490</link>
		<dc:creator>Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Feb 2006 18:15:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d say that if you&#039;re better at prep or running games, you&#039;ve got more incentive to improve at your weak points than most adults do at improving at math or English.

&quot;My job doesn&#039;t require math? Sweet! I can forget all that shit they made me learn in college, and focus on the stuff I like.&quot; ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d say that if you&#8217;re better at prep or running games, you&#8217;ve got more incentive to improve at your weak points than most adults do at improving at math or English.</p>
<p>&#8220;My job doesn&#8217;t require math? Sweet! I can forget all that shit they made me learn in college, and focus on the stuff I like.&#8221; <img src='http://www.treasuretables.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: GilaMonster</title>
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		<dc:creator>GilaMonster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Feb 2006 07:35:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m a maths/science geek and I too much prefer prep to running the game. I&#039;m getting better at winging things, mainly cause my players keep throwing me curveballs and asking about things I hadn&#039;t planned

Sometimes I suspect they&#039;re trying to trip me up. ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a maths/science geek and I too much prefer prep to running the game. I&#8217;m getting better at winging things, mainly cause my players keep throwing me curveballs and asking about things I hadn&#8217;t planned</p>
<p>Sometimes I suspect they&#8217;re trying to trip me up. <img src='http://www.treasuretables.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Martin</title>
		<link>http://www.treasuretables.org/2006/02/prep-and-running-games-oil-and-water-or-pb-and-j/comment-page-1#comment-1478</link>
		<dc:creator>Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Feb 2006 15:14:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ken, what do you do to get around A and B? That would also be a great subject for an article, either or Nuketown or here as a guest post. If you&#039;re interested in the latter, shoot me an email. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ken, what do you do to get around A and B? That would also be a great subject for an article, either or Nuketown or here as a guest post. If you&#8217;re interested in the latter, shoot me an email. <img src='http://www.treasuretables.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Ken Newquist</title>
		<link>http://www.treasuretables.org/2006/02/prep-and-running-games-oil-and-water-or-pb-and-j/comment-page-1#comment-1475</link>
		<dc:creator>Ken Newquist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Feb 2006 13:46:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m a journalism major who ended up working as a web programmer, so I like both prepping and running. My frustration as a GM usually comes in one of two forms. 

A) I&#039;ve spent a whole bunch of time on prep, and the party only ends up using 10% of what I created (this used to be a horrible problem when I was in college, but thankfully I&#039;ve gotten that under control over the last ten years or so).

B) I write myself into a corner by not doing *enough* prep, and find that what I thought was a pretty clever plot, wasn&#039;t really quite so clever once the PCs actually start running through it. Imagine a highway with a bridge out ... but not realizing that the bridge was gone until you&#039;re right there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a journalism major who ended up working as a web programmer, so I like both prepping and running. My frustration as a GM usually comes in one of two forms. </p>
<p>A) I&#8217;ve spent a whole bunch of time on prep, and the party only ends up using 10% of what I created (this used to be a horrible problem when I was in college, but thankfully I&#8217;ve gotten that under control over the last ten years or so).</p>
<p>B) I write myself into a corner by not doing *enough* prep, and find that what I thought was a pretty clever plot, wasn&#8217;t really quite so clever once the PCs actually start running through it. Imagine a highway with a bridge out &#8230; but not realizing that the bridge was gone until you&#8217;re right there.</p>
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		<title>By: Martin</title>
		<link>http://www.treasuretables.org/2006/02/prep-and-running-games-oil-and-water-or-pb-and-j/comment-page-1#comment-1473</link>
		<dc:creator>Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Feb 2006 03:29:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rudolf, I&#039;d love to see your suggestion developed into an article/longer post.

Since your name isn&#039;t linked, I&#039;m guessing you don&#039;t have a blog/website -- if you&#039;re interested in writing something like that as a TT guest post, email me and let&#039;s talk. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rudolf, I&#8217;d love to see your suggestion developed into an article/longer post.</p>
<p>Since your name isn&#8217;t linked, I&#8217;m guessing you don&#8217;t have a blog/website &#8212; if you&#8217;re interested in writing something like that as a TT guest post, email me and let&#8217;s talk. <img src='http://www.treasuretables.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Rudolf</title>
		<link>http://www.treasuretables.org/2006/02/prep-and-running-games-oil-and-water-or-pb-and-j/comment-page-1#comment-1472</link>
		<dc:creator>Rudolf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Feb 2006 02:57:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you want to reduce prep, get your players to kick in.  Chances are, they know good material from bad.

Now, you&#039;re probably thinking &quot;How can I trust them to ...&quot;

But that means you aren&#039;t delegating right.  Most of my players could come up with some ideas for unique magic items, or maps of a city without any difficulty at all.  Or ask for ten piles of treasure, from big to small.  When you have a large enough collection of stuff, it will seem random, and yet they&#039;ll occassionally say &quot;Hey, that&#039;s the statue I thought of&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you want to reduce prep, get your players to kick in.  Chances are, they know good material from bad.</p>
<p>Now, you&#8217;re probably thinking &#8220;How can I trust them to &#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>But that means you aren&#8217;t delegating right.  Most of my players could come up with some ideas for unique magic items, or maps of a city without any difficulty at all.  Or ask for ten piles of treasure, from big to small.  When you have a large enough collection of stuff, it will seem random, and yet they&#8217;ll occassionally say &#8220;Hey, that&#8217;s the statue I thought of&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Martin</title>
		<link>http://www.treasuretables.org/2006/02/prep-and-running-games-oil-and-water-or-pb-and-j/comment-page-1#comment-1470</link>
		<dc:creator>Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Feb 2006 01:52:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Based on the last several comments, it seems like there both is and isn&#039;t a connection here. ;)

I think there&#039;s something to be said for a correlation between Type B/English/running games and Type B/Math/prep, but it seems pretty fuzzy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Based on the last several comments, it seems like there both is and isn&#8217;t a connection here. <img src='http://www.treasuretables.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I think there&#8217;s something to be said for a correlation between Type B/English/running games and Type B/Math/prep, but it seems pretty fuzzy.</p>
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		<title>By: GlennZilla</title>
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		<dc:creator>GlennZilla</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Feb 2006 21:31:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am a type B personality and I have a strong leaning to the Science side over the English side.

I find that I do better games when I create a modicum of prep work. Usually about 3-4 hours a week, sometimes up to 5.

However I have run several campaigns (not jsut single sessions) from the seat of my pants. I personally enjoy the &quot;give and take&quot; of winging it over the bittersweet task of prep.

I call it bittersweet since I get many more compliments and questions about the next game after I do the prep work than if I just wing it.

Oh yeah this is my first comment on TT!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a type B personality and I have a strong leaning to the Science side over the English side.</p>
<p>I find that I do better games when I create a modicum of prep work. Usually about 3-4 hours a week, sometimes up to 5.</p>
<p>However I have run several campaigns (not jsut single sessions) from the seat of my pants. I personally enjoy the &#8220;give and take&#8221; of winging it over the bittersweet task of prep.</p>
<p>I call it bittersweet since I get many more compliments and questions about the next game after I do the prep work than if I just wing it.</p>
<p>Oh yeah this is my first comment on TT!</p>
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		<title>By: Javaboy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Javaboy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Feb 2006 20:44:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmm... I&#039;m with Frank and ScottM.  I am better with math than english, and on the game side I&#039;m better at running and improv than I am with prep (though what I do get done is very worth while).

I usually code something to do the mundane prep work for me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmm&#8230; I&#8217;m with Frank and ScottM.  I am better with math than english, and on the game side I&#8217;m better at running and improv than I am with prep (though what I do get done is very worth while).</p>
<p>I usually code something to do the mundane prep work for me.</p>
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		<title>By: Crazy Jerome</title>
		<link>http://www.treasuretables.org/2006/02/prep-and-running-games-oil-and-water-or-pb-and-j/comment-page-1#comment-1466</link>
		<dc:creator>Crazy Jerome</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Feb 2006 17:42:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m an English major with a minor in Math (almost a double major), and I write software for a living.  In fact, I enjoy both writing and math.  Science is what bores me. :D

I like prep that gives me a good return on my investment.  I don&#039;t like other prep.  Say I have a new creature for D&amp;D 3.5 that I really want to share with other DMs.  All that reverse-engineering and getting the stats just so is rewarding.  Someone will get some bang for my work.  OTOH, say I make up a new creature for my game.  Who cares if the skill points are exactly correct?  The exact same work that was worth it in the first case isn&#039;t worth it now.

Preparing to run a good game is an inherent part of roleplaying.  If the game is one we would normally call &quot;low prep&quot;, the prep might be mainly to get a good rest ahead of time, and then play appropriate mood music the hour before.  One might prefer that kind of prep, but it is still prep.  If you prep for someone else to run a game (e.g. write a published adventure), that is mostly work.

Finally, the joy of creating a campaign is a kind of prep that does have some work attached with it.  If nothing else, you must organize your creation enough to keep it straight in your head.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m an English major with a minor in Math (almost a double major), and I write software for a living.  In fact, I enjoy both writing and math.  Science is what bores me. <img src='http://www.treasuretables.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I like prep that gives me a good return on my investment.  I don&#8217;t like other prep.  Say I have a new creature for D&amp;D 3.5 that I really want to share with other DMs.  All that reverse-engineering and getting the stats just so is rewarding.  Someone will get some bang for my work.  OTOH, say I make up a new creature for my game.  Who cares if the skill points are exactly correct?  The exact same work that was worth it in the first case isn&#8217;t worth it now.</p>
<p>Preparing to run a good game is an inherent part of roleplaying.  If the game is one we would normally call &#8220;low prep&#8221;, the prep might be mainly to get a good rest ahead of time, and then play appropriate mood music the hour before.  One might prefer that kind of prep, but it is still prep.  If you prep for someone else to run a game (e.g. write a published adventure), that is mostly work.</p>
<p>Finally, the joy of creating a campaign is a kind of prep that does have some work attached with it.  If nothing else, you must organize your creation enough to keep it straight in your head.</p>
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		<title>By: ScottM</title>
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		<dc:creator>ScottM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Feb 2006 17:28:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m in Frank&#039;s boat; a strong math guy who dislikes prep.  Of course, there are types of prep that appeal more than others-- reusable pieces interest me more.  I suspect that&#039;s parallel to the difference between learning the equasion and just memorizing results... to strain the analogy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m in Frank&#8217;s boat; a strong math guy who dislikes prep.  Of course, there are types of prep that appeal more than others&#8211; reusable pieces interest me more.  I suspect that&#8217;s parallel to the difference between learning the equasion and just memorizing results&#8230; to strain the analogy.</p>
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