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		<title>By: Elizabeth</title>
		<link>http://www.treasuretables.org/2006/02/love-is-in-the-rpg/comment-page-1#comment-1588</link>
		<dc:creator>Elizabeth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Feb 2006 19:05:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Martin,

The situation did not feel awkward to me, but I can&#039;t speak for anyone else.  We had 2 adults specifically ask that they not be sent the adult journal entries.  Basically, what got left out were the details of the PC&#039;s intimate interactions, all of the details pertaining to the storyline were left in.  Essentially, you had the characters kiss and fade out in the edited journals.

As for the teenagers, my youngest daughter (now 21) did read one of the entries and got weirded out that her mother could write like that. ;-)  I loved doing that to our kids when they were teenagers.  Still have fun shocking them now that most of them are older. :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Martin,</p>
<p>The situation did not feel awkward to me, but I can&#8217;t speak for anyone else.  We had 2 adults specifically ask that they not be sent the adult journal entries.  Basically, what got left out were the details of the PC&#8217;s intimate interactions, all of the details pertaining to the storyline were left in.  Essentially, you had the characters kiss and fade out in the edited journals.</p>
<p>As for the teenagers, my youngest daughter (now 21) did read one of the entries and got weirded out that her mother could write like that. <img src='http://www.treasuretables.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' />   I loved doing that to our kids when they were teenagers.  Still have fun shocking them now that most of them are older. <img src='http://www.treasuretables.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Martin</title>
		<link>http://www.treasuretables.org/2006/02/love-is-in-the-rpg/comment-page-1#comment-1586</link>
		<dc:creator>Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Feb 2006 17:16:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(Elizabeth) &lt;i&gt;The situation with my Champions character did indeed make some of our players uncomfortable. The journal entries were VERY adult and so were not sent out to our teenage children who were playing. Also, some of our friends could not deal with the situation and were excluded from the mailings.&lt;/i&gt;

This sounds very awkward to me, particularly the split between the adult and PG versions of the journals -- on either side of that equation, that seems like it would generate some friction.

Did the whole group but into this split (apart from the kids wanting the adult version, of course ;))?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(Elizabeth) <i>The situation with my Champions character did indeed make some of our players uncomfortable. The journal entries were VERY adult and so were not sent out to our teenage children who were playing. Also, some of our friends could not deal with the situation and were excluded from the mailings.</i></p>
<p>This sounds very awkward to me, particularly the split between the adult and PG versions of the journals &#8212; on either side of that equation, that seems like it would generate some friction.</p>
<p>Did the whole group but into this split (apart from the kids wanting the adult version, of course <img src='http://www.treasuretables.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> )?</p>
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		<title>By: Elizabeth</title>
		<link>http://www.treasuretables.org/2006/02/love-is-in-the-rpg/comment-page-1#comment-1582</link>
		<dc:creator>Elizabeth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Feb 2006 19:15:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A little more insight into what Hammerlily said.  I will be going to a different kind of gaming session this weekend.  Yes, I publically announce that I am going to a Nero (LARP) event. (hear the Evil Overlord fall over in shock as his wife puts this latest out on the web.)  I met this group at a gaming convention last fall.  Two of the people in this group are romantically involved in real life, but in game she is involved with someone else and he is the one with unrequited love.  I will see this weekend how they play that out.  It was interesting to watch a bit of it at the convention.

The situation with my Champions character did indeed make some of our players uncomfortable.  The journal entries were VERY adult and so were not sent out to our teenage children who were playing.  Also, some of our friends could not deal with the situation and were excluded from the mailings.  And then we had everyone else wanting us to write more. :-)  Communication helped to keep everyone comfortable.  

As I said in a previous entry, the romantic elements were not, in general, played out in the gaming sessions especially when our children were present.  We did indeed tailor our interactions to those present.

Since our journal entries also conveyed some plot elements, I believe the Evil Overlord may have edited them and then sent them to the people who did not wish to receive the adult version and to the teenagers who may have wanted to see them but weren&#039;t allowed to at that time. ;-)  He will have to either confirm or deny this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A little more insight into what Hammerlily said.  I will be going to a different kind of gaming session this weekend.  Yes, I publically announce that I am going to a Nero (LARP) event. (hear the Evil Overlord fall over in shock as his wife puts this latest out on the web.)  I met this group at a gaming convention last fall.  Two of the people in this group are romantically involved in real life, but in game she is involved with someone else and he is the one with unrequited love.  I will see this weekend how they play that out.  It was interesting to watch a bit of it at the convention.</p>
<p>The situation with my Champions character did indeed make some of our players uncomfortable.  The journal entries were VERY adult and so were not sent out to our teenage children who were playing.  Also, some of our friends could not deal with the situation and were excluded from the mailings.  And then we had everyone else wanting us to write more. <img src='http://www.treasuretables.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />   Communication helped to keep everyone comfortable.  </p>
<p>As I said in a previous entry, the romantic elements were not, in general, played out in the gaming sessions especially when our children were present.  We did indeed tailor our interactions to those present.</p>
<p>Since our journal entries also conveyed some plot elements, I believe the Evil Overlord may have edited them and then sent them to the people who did not wish to receive the adult version and to the teenagers who may have wanted to see them but weren&#8217;t allowed to at that time. <img src='http://www.treasuretables.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' />   He will have to either confirm or deny this.</p>
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		<title>By: Martin</title>
		<link>http://www.treasuretables.org/2006/02/love-is-in-the-rpg/comment-page-1#comment-1579</link>
		<dc:creator>Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Feb 2006 15:32:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hammerlily: Your points about trust (as it relates to including romance in your games) and ratings are well taken.

Both seem like excellent social contract fodder, too, as they wouldn&#039;t work well without some group discussion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hammerlily: Your points about trust (as it relates to including romance in your games) and ratings are well taken.</p>
<p>Both seem like excellent social contract fodder, too, as they wouldn&#8217;t work well without some group discussion.</p>
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		<title>By: Hammerlily</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hammerlily</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Feb 2006 05:26:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think flirting &amp; crushes are more straightforward to roleplay or journal WELL than other dimensions of love/lust like

- unrequited love
- showing off to compete for a specific someone
- full blown romantic encounters

Ardent unrequited love seems hard to sustain in a gaming situation because it is one way, a monologue if you will.

Full blown romantic encounters take talent (i.e. more work) to write without making at least some other game members uncomfortable.

And sometimes when there is an unattached member of the group among avowed bachelors or married couples, sometimes the romantic interactions can almost seem predatory in nature, especially if initiated by certain females.  Uneasiness/jealousy/turf warfare can then come out among the players (vs. characters).

There has to be a certain measure of trust among the members of the group to play through delicately and yet with enough umph for it to be believable (managing to tango through a ballroom without falling over) and not laughable, although sometimes laughable interludes (flirting naively with an NPC soldier who had been at a far outpost too long, never thinking that the GM would call your bluff, thankfully a dice throw saved the character&#039;s honor on that one.) have an upside... but it takes confidence or at least a sense of humor to come through unscathed.

Also there needs to be a sense among all players of what &quot;rating&quot; is appropriate for the game.  Keep in mind who is participating or listening into your game and adjust the rating accordingly, especially if playing in a multi-generational gaming group. (Think G &amp; PG when kids are present) Limit circulation of journals with racier stuff to the players of appropriate maturity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think flirting &amp; crushes are more straightforward to roleplay or journal WELL than other dimensions of love/lust like</p>
<p>- unrequited love<br />
- showing off to compete for a specific someone<br />
- full blown romantic encounters</p>
<p>Ardent unrequited love seems hard to sustain in a gaming situation because it is one way, a monologue if you will.</p>
<p>Full blown romantic encounters take talent (i.e. more work) to write without making at least some other game members uncomfortable.</p>
<p>And sometimes when there is an unattached member of the group among avowed bachelors or married couples, sometimes the romantic interactions can almost seem predatory in nature, especially if initiated by certain females.  Uneasiness/jealousy/turf warfare can then come out among the players (vs. characters).</p>
<p>There has to be a certain measure of trust among the members of the group to play through delicately and yet with enough umph for it to be believable (managing to tango through a ballroom without falling over) and not laughable, although sometimes laughable interludes (flirting naively with an NPC soldier who had been at a far outpost too long, never thinking that the GM would call your bluff, thankfully a dice throw saved the character&#8217;s honor on that one.) have an upside&#8230; but it takes confidence or at least a sense of humor to come through unscathed.</p>
<p>Also there needs to be a sense among all players of what &#8220;rating&#8221; is appropriate for the game.  Keep in mind who is participating or listening into your game and adjust the rating accordingly, especially if playing in a multi-generational gaming group. (Think G &amp; PG when kids are present) Limit circulation of journals with racier stuff to the players of appropriate maturity.</p>
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		<title>By: Martin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Feb 2006 16:04:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Elizabeth!</description>
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		<title>By: Elizabeth</title>
		<link>http://www.treasuretables.org/2006/02/love-is-in-the-rpg/comment-page-1#comment-1566</link>
		<dc:creator>Elizabeth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Feb 2006 00:45:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Martin,

I thought that I would answer this since I am the Esteemed Consort of the Evil Overlord. ;-)

I can tell you that all of the characters in &quot;Shards of the Heart&quot; were written up by our gaming group. ;-)  Of course, Lightning has yet to actually appear in any of our games, but maybe he will some day. (yes, Lightning the horse is my fault ;-))

Let&#039;s just say that all of our games tend to have some form of flirting in them so writing &quot;Shards of the Heart&quot; was sort of natural for us.  

We are not sure if the amount of sexual banter in our games is due to the fact that we have 2-4 females per gaming session or if we have the females playing because of the bantering.

Esteemed Consort of the Evil Overlord
Convention Minion for Tabletop Adventures ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Martin,</p>
<p>I thought that I would answer this since I am the Esteemed Consort of the Evil Overlord. <img src='http://www.treasuretables.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I can tell you that all of the characters in &#8220;Shards of the Heart&#8221; were written up by our gaming group. <img src='http://www.treasuretables.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' />   Of course, Lightning has yet to actually appear in any of our games, but maybe he will some day. (yes, Lightning the horse is my fault <img src='http://www.treasuretables.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> )</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s just say that all of our games tend to have some form of flirting in them so writing &#8220;Shards of the Heart&#8221; was sort of natural for us.  </p>
<p>We are not sure if the amount of sexual banter in our games is due to the fact that we have 2-4 females per gaming session or if we have the females playing because of the bantering.</p>
<p>Esteemed Consort of the Evil Overlord<br />
Convention Minion for Tabletop Adventures <img src='http://www.treasuretables.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Martin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Feb 2006 15:24:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(Elizabeth) &lt;i&gt;It was known by the group that the two characters became involved, but all of the relationship stuff was handled in after game journal entries.&lt;/i&gt;

This sounds like a perfect way to combine pulling the camera back without ignoring the romantic angle -- I like it.

Hammerlily: Do you think that crushes and flirting come up more often because they&#039;re easier to handle without making anyone -- players and/or GM -- feel uncomfortable?

EO: Hearing that you met your wife through PC flirting makes me smile. Did that play a role in TTA&#039;s decision to produce &lt;i&gt;Shards of the Heart&lt;/i&gt;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(Elizabeth) <i>It was known by the group that the two characters became involved, but all of the relationship stuff was handled in after game journal entries.</i></p>
<p>This sounds like a perfect way to combine pulling the camera back without ignoring the romantic angle &#8212; I like it.</p>
<p>Hammerlily: Do you think that crushes and flirting come up more often because they&#8217;re easier to handle without making anyone &#8212; players and/or GM &#8212; feel uncomfortable?</p>
<p>EO: Hearing that you met your wife through PC flirting makes me smile. Did that play a role in TTA&#8217;s decision to produce <i>Shards of the Heart</i>?</p>
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		<title>By: Evil Overlord</title>
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		<dc:creator>Evil Overlord</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Feb 2006 00:00:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, I have seen interactions between both PC&#039;s and between PC/NPC relationships.  I have found that it gives a lot of interesting opportunities for role-playing and character development that wouldn&#039;t come up otherwise.  But my gaming groups have usually run at 30-50% female so maybe it just comes up more in a gender mixed group.  I have done female NPC interactions for male characters - I am not quite as comfortable with those but I guess I do alright because they keep coming up.

Actually, come to think of it, I met my wife through PC flirting in a game I was in.  In a Star Trek RPG game where I was the Captain.  The vessel was appropriately named: The USS Ardent...

&quot;Capt&#039;n Sean Stuart Cleburn of the Federation Stirship Irdent...&quot;(Think Irish Accent)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, I have seen interactions between both PC&#8217;s and between PC/NPC relationships.  I have found that it gives a lot of interesting opportunities for role-playing and character development that wouldn&#8217;t come up otherwise.  But my gaming groups have usually run at 30-50% female so maybe it just comes up more in a gender mixed group.  I have done female NPC interactions for male characters &#8211; I am not quite as comfortable with those but I guess I do alright because they keep coming up.</p>
<p>Actually, come to think of it, I met my wife through PC flirting in a game I was in.  In a Star Trek RPG game where I was the Captain.  The vessel was appropriately named: The USS Ardent&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;Capt&#8217;n Sean Stuart Cleburn of the Federation Stirship Irdent&#8230;&#8221;(Think Irish Accent)</p>
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		<title>By: Hammerlily</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hammerlily</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Feb 2006 22:29:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, and don&#039;t forget showboating for various people&#039;s benefit and interest.

Although some of that falls in the normal operating sphere of our younger, more headstrong characters.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, and don&#8217;t forget showboating for various people&#8217;s benefit and interest.</p>
<p>Although some of that falls in the normal operating sphere of our younger, more headstrong characters.</p>
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		<title>By: Hammerlily</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hammerlily</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Feb 2006 22:24:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, when romance has occured, was it most often between a character and an NPC or between two characters?

And how many cases of unrequited love have taken place?

Crushes and flirting and most of what I&#039;ve seen done.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, when romance has occured, was it most often between a character and an NPC or between two characters?</p>
<p>And how many cases of unrequited love have taken place?</p>
<p>Crushes and flirting and most of what I&#8217;ve seen done.</p>
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		<title>By: Elizabeth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elizabeth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Feb 2006 22:20:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My husband is our most frequent GM and tries to find some romantic interest for my character in whatever game we play - D&amp;D, Champions, Star Wars, Star Trek, etc.  It does tend to keep my interest going in the game. ;-)

The most interesting situation we had was in a Champions game we played several years ago.  We had tried several times to get a workable scenario going and this was our last attempt.  The romance came into play when my character made an off the wall comment during a fight scene to another player character.  Personally, I didn&#039;t really expect him to pick up on it. ;-)

It was known by the group that the two characters became involved, but all of the relationship stuff was handled in after game journal entries.  They were both comical, one involved a life boat while the group was on a cruise, and adult.  The group loved the entries, we had some fun writing them and it stretched me as a roleplayer since I then had to incorporate my character&#039;s feelings into how she would react in a combat situation.

Our group does have above average female participation though. :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My husband is our most frequent GM and tries to find some romantic interest for my character in whatever game we play &#8211; D&amp;D, Champions, Star Wars, Star Trek, etc.  It does tend to keep my interest going in the game. <img src='http://www.treasuretables.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>The most interesting situation we had was in a Champions game we played several years ago.  We had tried several times to get a workable scenario going and this was our last attempt.  The romance came into play when my character made an off the wall comment during a fight scene to another player character.  Personally, I didn&#8217;t really expect him to pick up on it. <img src='http://www.treasuretables.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>It was known by the group that the two characters became involved, but all of the relationship stuff was handled in after game journal entries.  They were both comical, one involved a life boat while the group was on a cruise, and adult.  The group loved the entries, we had some fun writing them and it stretched me as a roleplayer since I then had to incorporate my character&#8217;s feelings into how she would react in a combat situation.</p>
<p>Our group does have above average female participation though. <img src='http://www.treasuretables.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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